eBay SellerID: designerchic72

eBay Item#: 230061541950
MIKASA GARDEN HARVEST 4 PIECE CANNISTER SET

Issue: Extremely Poor Packaging Resulting in Breakage

Issue: Failure to conduct business
in Good Faith




NEWS FLASH: UPDATE!

Astonishing outcome to this affair involving both eBay and SquareTrade. See details at bottom of this page.

SUMMARY OF EVENT:

A bad deal, gone badder. We tried to no avail to settle with her, and eventually opted to go easy on her, and just make light of it with this "humourous" page. This is intended to be more comical than critical.

She had a 100% Positive Feedback rating, and we really were reluctant to break that record for her. 

So, we feel that an even, and fair tradeoff, is that we give her NEUTRAL feedback , and post this link in our feedback so that people can see for themselves what happened. 

 

She keeps her 100% and we get our say instead of just giving
her the negative feedback that we think she deserves.

We think that is more than fair.

 

 



We bid and won on this item, paid promptly with PayPal, and item was shipped promptly .

However, when the box arrived, it was bulging on both sides and making a grating noise when moved.

We opened the package to discover the largest of the pottery canisters was broken.

It didn't really take much looking to find out why:


She had packaged a eight inch vase, in a five inch box, and not suprisingly, it got broke.

Here's the cannister alongside the box that it was shipped in. (It is turned so the broken part is on the backside - there's many more pics later on in this page. ..).

As you can see, the cannister is several inches larger than the box!

With a single layer of bubble-wrap around it, it comes to about a nine inch object being stuffed into a five inch tall box - along with a LOT of other stuff in a very small box.

The box is not even marked "Fragile" or "Breakable."  At least that may have helped.

When we contacted Michelle (AKA Designerchic72), her only response was to "feel our pain" and start insisting that she had "done an adequate job " packaging the item.

We wondered what exactly would be an "adequate" way to pack a NINE inch fragile item into a FIVE inch box - especially something made of glass.

And since the item arrived broken, we wondered what her interpretation of the word "adequate" might have been. Adequate to prevent what, if not breakage?

Honestly, we assumed that being shown the box alongside the cannister would be enough to convince her that the job was certainly not adequate.  But then again, she packed the box.  If she didn't notice the size difference when it was actually in her hands, I'm not sure what good it would do to show her pictures.

But we did anyways.  One can always hope.

As incredible as it may sound, even after looking at these pictures, in the ensuing email exchange, she continued to claim that she had (and I quote) "done an adequate job", and that "the box did NOT bulge," and that she "would NEVER send a package that looked like that...That just isn't my style..." 

We asked, if she didn't send it looking like that, then how did it get that way

She only continued to insist that "I do not feel that it was poor packaging. And"The box was in excellent condition when I handed it to the clerk!!" and  "I would have NEVER shipped you a fragile item that I did not do my part on."

We wondered how it was possibe to put a nine inch object in a five inch box without it bulging.  We're not physicists, but it seemed to us that without some kind of quantum physics, that it was impossible.

We spent $20, plus another $20 for shipping (when shipping only cost $12). Insurance is always an option on shipping, but with normal care in packaging we didn't feel like that would be necessary. It rarely is necessary.  Most people package things carefully. 

The purpose of insurance is to protect your investment against loss or theft of an expensive object, not to act as a contingency plan against poor packaging.

But just to be sure...

...we showed the pictures to our local postmaster and asked if such a package would even be insurable and it was his opinion that it likely would have been refused insurance from the beginning, or that if it slipped through, the insurance claim would likely be denied on the grounds of negligent packaging.

In the email exchange, we gave her PLENTY of warning that we were weighing the option of negative feedback. We even sent her a link to this web page (before we published it) so she could SEE the photos for herself. 

All we asked for was a refund of our actual bid amount ($20) - not even including the shipping. 

She in turn, in not so many words, told us to get knotted and continued to "stand by [her] reputation"... 

 

At the conclusion of that initial volley, she had the nerve to say:

I would really appreciate no feedback if you can't say something positive. I feel I have tried to work through this with you. 

Now THAT just takes the cake. The only thing you have tried to "work through" is the notion that this FIVE INCH BOX was somehow (in your universe) "adequate" to contain a NINE inch vase.

And you expect us to say nothing?

 

At this point, after reading all of your husbands notes and remarks to my emails. I am finished with the communication. Do what you feel is necessary. I still stand behind what I have said. My reputation on Ebay stands.

The box was adequate for the items. I would not have shipped it otherwise. That is not my style.

 

 

Persistent to the end.

 

So, I contacted her myself, one last time, and asked her direct, plain, pointed questions aimed at making sure that she understood our intentions.: 

  • Are you aware that these are actual photos of your package?
  • Are you aware that the photo shows the vase is a good several INCHES taller than the entire box it was packed in?
  • Are you aware that the package has your handwriting on it? (In response to her suggestion that we are talking about two different packages).  
  • "Are you aware that we intend to make this information public on our website?

And I explained, again, that she had packaged a nine inch vase in a five inch box, what did she think was gonna happen?

I asked her, in light of the photographic evidence, how she sees no cupability in this matter.  Again, what did she think was going to happen to a nine inch object crammed into a five inch box?

Getting tired of the "I did an adequate job" line, I asked her what she thinks I should do in this situation?  Maybe that would illicit some kind of response.

This she took as a "nasty, personal attack" and (supposedly) reported us to eBay, and threatened to report us to the local police - a threat I wish she would actually do.  They would give her advice that I wish she would heed: If you break something through negligence, YOU are responsible.

That's what "good faith" means.  If you make a mistake, you admit it and make ammends.

We gave up. 

 


 


And so, here we are.... 

Ladies and Gentlemen... We present to you, for your (humourous) consideration...

 

"The Strange Affair of the Bulging Package"
 

Enjoy!

 

 

 


 

Maybe it's just pregnant?





















Perhaps it's all just an optical illusion.

We appealed to a well respected authority
on these matters:




















Computer analysis was revealing:





















We hoped that a quick trip to the laboratory for
laser analysis might reveal something.

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See amazing video proof straight from the
White Sands Missle Range* test laboratory
...

   



For best results, right-click on image and choose "Save As..." to save to your computer. Then view.



* That's THE White Sands Missle Range in Collinsville, Oklahoma.
  Not those impostor, copycat, wannabe's over there in New Mexico!
  What would they know about scientific matters like this?














As any trained, professional scientist will tell you, "the proof is in the pudding."

Ok, so it's not an exact science. But still... let's see what's in the box:



It's packed in there pretty tight...















Yeah... You are seeing it right. This lady packed a 71/2- 8 inch vase in a FIVE inch tall box.

Add about an inch on both sides for bubble wrap and you've got a NINE inch object in a FIVE inch tall box .  How's that not gonna bulge?

Of course, bubble wrap is nice, and all. Don't get us wrong. We like bubblewrap. Nothing against bubblewrap. Some of our best friends use bubblewrap.

Nothing against Monsanto or 3M or the Lawrence Livermore Lab (or wherever this stuff was invented).

But bubble wrap protects against SHOCK.
It does not provide any load bearing capacity.
(For those of you not highly trained in the engineering sciences, that means "It can't support any weight. ")

If that bubblewrap had been made of iron, it might have helped.

 

 


Just to be sure, we ran it by our good friend at the FBI Laboratory in Quantico, and he said (and I quote):

"04 91 E8 76 5D 98 29 8A 56 CE 69 3F 45 67 B5 C4 87 20 A2 90 6E 27 F5 76 23 7A 65"

We're still working on decoding the message, but we're pretty sure it says:

"Whose brilliant idea was this?"


Well, as luck would have it, the package came with a label bearing the name of the author of the brilliant idea:





 

We are inclined to "forgive and forget", but since the purpose of the eBay feedback is to help others make informed decisions about doing business with others, we feel that while it might be a nice thing to give you a break and post neutral feedback, it might also be a great disservice to the rest of the eBay community who might stand to get the same treatment from you.

 

 


 

 

Two Point Summary:

 

One:

 

Two:

 

'Nuff Said.







NEWS FLASH: UPDATE!

Astonishing outcome to this affair involving both eBay and SquareTrade.

As noted above, we weighed the option of either straight-up negative feedback, or neutral feedback with a link to this page so we could have our say and she could keep her 100% positive feedback.

We opted to be easy and go for the neutral feedback. We left neutral feedback and a link to this page.

designerchic72 promptly complained to eBay about our link. It turns out that leaving links in feedback is verbotten. Who knew?

eBay promptly deleted our entire feedback without even contacting us to get our side of the story. I contacted eBay and, without identifying us, asked about their feedback policy. I was told (and was given a link to an eBay Policy page where it states) that on a first offense, a warning would be given. We were given no warning. We were simply obliterated. Repeated attempts to get eBay to give us the opportunity to leave a valid "policy-compliant" feedback instead were just ignored.

End result: we have neither neutral nor negative feedback - no feedback of any kind regarding this item. Nothing. Nada. Zip. This woman does a crap job of packaging that results in our loosing the item AND our money, AND all recourse, AND all record of the event! Like it just never happened!


So we decide to pay $20 and take it up with SquareTrade. We contact them and establish a case and state that we are "petittionning" ebay for the right to leave a feedback on a transaction we were involved in.

SquareTrade gladly takes our money and begins contacting designerchic72, who promptly refuses to arbitrate and continues her "get knotted" answer.

We reply to SquareTrade that our dispute is not with designerchic72, but with eBay over their feedback policy and the fact that they have denied us a feedback that we feel we are entitled to, and that the eBay community ought to be made aware of. People need to know that this person is not (always) trustworthy, so they don't get ripped off like we did.

SquareTrade's only response is that they only arbitrate matters between buyers and sellers and they won't have anything to do with a dispute with eBay. Case closed. Thanks for your money.

Now we're out $20 for the item (and the busted item itself), another $20 for shipping down the drain, and now ANOTHER $20 to SquareTrade who basically told us "Thanks for the Jefferson, not our problem."

Oh well. There is ONE bright side to all this. designerchic72 did in fact get her first negative feedback - ON MY BIRTHDAY! Happy Birthday, Kirby!